Fox News:K.T.麦克法兰:美国正在经历创新型破坏期(2)

I think the country has changed. I think we're sick of the forever wars and that Trump has actually tapped into something. Now, is John Bolton gonna be spoiler -- is he gonna be the guy that brings down Donald Trump? First of all, I don't think there's anything there to bring him down over. And number two, I just don't think John Bolton wants to end his career as being someone who spoiled things. I mean, I think he feels -- he's someone who has a lot to say. I don't agree with him on a lot of things. But I think that's the end of -- that's a career ender -- Yeah. -- not a career beginner. Somebody said in National Interest that he, "Bolton is weary of Trump, but unwilling to officially cross him." And it sounds like you agree. I would agree. All right. I want to talk to you about Michael Flynn, who you worked very closely with. Yes. And the IG report, the inklings that we have so far suggest that an FBI agent, someone who was working on this case, may have misquoted or altered his statement or altered something about their discussion with him. What's your reaction when you hear that? Well, first of all, I've not talked to Mike Flynn since the day he left the White House. I talked to him on the phone a week after just to make sure he was okay. But I think that Mike Flynn -- something happened. And I'm not quite sure what. Even though I know him, I worked very closely with him. But something happened, either the intelligence community decided they wanted to get rid of him because he was going to reform the intelligence community and they were afraid of that, or because he was a weak link. Now, how do you get to Trump? Let's look for any opportunity. I mean, we've just seen three years of, "How do we get Trump?" It's the Russia hoax, it's Ukraine, it's whatever, porn stars, who knows? But I think Mike Flynn may have been the initial weak link and they thought they could go after him unintelligible. Do you think he did anything wrong? I don't know. I mean, I was not in those meetings that he supposedly told the FBI agents one thing and then he perjured himself. 

I do think he did something wrong by not filing himself as a foreign agent, particularly in the Turkish dealings. But -- Right. -- but, you know, it's the job of a national security advisor to talk to foreign leaders -- Yeah. -- prior to a president taking office. I want to get your thought on Fiona Hill. Because I know that something stood out to you in her testimony. And you hired her -- I did. I did. -- or you were part of that process to hire -- No, I hired her. -- a Russia expert. She suggested that the Russians created this whole Ukrainian narrative, that it was really Ukraine and not Russia. And she suggested that they successfully convinced Rudy Giuliani, who convinced President Trump, that it was all in the Ukraine and that there was something bad going on there to deflect from Russia. She suggested that they fell for that story from the Russians. Is she right? I think she's probably right. I mean, there's pretty -- to my mind, there's evidence that is irrefutable evidence that the Russians mucked around in our 2016 election and they want to do it again. But if you also look back at Russian history, Soviet history, what have they been doing for the last 70 years? They've been trying to get into our political system and sow dissent. And I think that's what they did this time. And I think the one guy who's particularly happy with the way things are going is Vladimir Putin. Look how we're destroying ourselves. So, is the president wrong to be going down this Ukraine rabbit hole? I think Ukraine -- it's Russia. And whether Ukraine had a part in it or not, the main actor was Russia. And I think that the president's interest in Ukraine is, "Why give these guys money when they're the most corrupt country in the world? Clean up your act, then we'll give you some money." I know that you said he said something on the call that he probably shouldn't have said as well with regard to Joe Biden. So, we have a lot more to talk about, so we're gonna have you back -- Okay. Sounds good. -- very soon. K.T. McFarland, thank you very much. Thanks, Martha. The new book is called, "Revolution."