中国的亿万女富翁-张欣

Fareed Zakaria at GPS, cnn Sunday morning 10 Eastern and Pacific.

On the one hand, of course, you know, this is a moment where the government can spend a lot of money and they have a lot of money. But on the other hand, they are facing the biggest challenge ever. You know, we have the, at this moment, the income disparity is so huge. And you talk about, you know, the social discontent is so strong. And I think the sentiment in the public is not that positive, you know, despite the GDP number seems to be growing very high. If you just take the number, yes, you will believe that's everything. But if you, you know I was talking to, if you're going to Chinese twitter, WeiBo, you will see the massive public discontent. I think the government is really trying to balance both.

What do you think of state-run capitalism? You must have to deal with government officials all the time, getting land and things like that?

I think that is actually the single biggest challenge China faces now. Because bear in mind, how do we become economically affluent to today's level. It's through the market economy, through opening doors, through market, through reforms, through moving towards more market economy. And that's for the last 20 years. And now in this crisis, the government realizes that we cannot rely on the market too much. And we have a lot of money. So then it all becomes all government, dictator government, oriented policies. And I think the market has become so weak that we as a developer for instance, you know, very often, investor would ask what is your strategy for the next two years? We have no strategy because it's the government who sets the strategy. Government's planning, government's decision. So you know it's really, we as a developer, we can only see what will the government likely to come out with the next policy. And then, we need to gear our company towards that. That I think it's very dangerous. Because if you take away the market, then what we left? We left back to the planning economy. It's as imperfect as the market economy. We still do not have a better system than that for today's world.

Your company's name is SOHO China. A lot of your buildings have American-style names. Is there a change in the attitude of the Chinese people towards the west, towards the America?

I do think that the American glory is fading a bit. You know, if I were to look back in the last 30 years. You know, of course, in the beginning of the 30 years, everybody was looking towards America. You know, going to America was the theme among the graduates of university graduates, still so, but you know, more and more people are thinking, you know, if right after university, immediately coming back to China. You know, we hire MBA graduates from the US business schools. And then you know, I see these Chinese, young graduates, you know, why don't you work in America for a few years? They are like, no no, we want to come back immediately because the opportunities are better here.

One of the things I have noticed China, thing about China, when I've come is that women work here at every level in the society. First of all, is that just my impression or is it true that there are many people, maybe not quite at your level. But there are many female entrepreneurs, businessmen, people in all walks of life?

I think that is certainly true, you know, in China, you know, if I were to say that compared to many other countries where I lived and worked before, this is the country where women have, at least in the urban area, you know, if we take way the rural area, urban area, women have, are enjoying very high level of equality, if not completely equal but at least high level of equality compared to many other, you know, compared to European countries for instance. You know, you don't see so many women in the boardrooms, and here in China, I think, you see many, you know, top CEOs are actually women.

You talked about how the government is worried about instability, and if you look at the government's own statistics, the number of protests have risen quite a lot in the last 10 years. I mean, to 70-80,000 protests. You know, many of these are small and localized but still so much change in the society then must be a lot of pent-up tension. Do you worry about that?

I see a lot of discontent and you know the high growth itself is already instability to everybody. But also there are some people are growing faster than the others and that gap creates more discontent. So I think the government is very much aware of this. And I see this as one of the biggest challenges for this country.

One of the thing that’s been happening in China is a lot of labor trouble which seems have come together some very large companies that are doing huge amount of manufacturing for all the big western brands. Do you think that there are something special happening at this moment, well, why there is so much labor trouble?

If you see that this government has allowed this country's economy to grow, nearly freely to where it is now, but in every other areas that matches to, also to the human being, you know, in ideology, in education, in health care, in spirituality, is tightly controlled, and that's why we are seeing these labor problems. You know, these people are migrant workers to go to a new city and they are there just to make money. Because there they are not supported by their family or friends. And I think that if the society is more liberalized, in all the other areas, culture, politics, ideology, then you will see a very different society than where it is now where we're only allowed to make money, nothing else. And that's why all the focuses are on making money. And I think that's not enough for human being.

You are optimistic at the end of the day? You've been more successful. Listen, you are living this Chinese dream.

I think China will first hit the crisis first. And that crisis will push more reforms. And that's desperate need for this country. Cause we've been living a life as the world manufacture, the world factory for the last 30 years. And it is not, you know, we are not gonna go forward for the next 30 years as the world factory. We have to reform our own internally. And that I see today there is not enough strength to push that reform. And you know, like you say, it's the crisis that enables us to reform and I see a crisis coming.